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2 October 2009
iStock to sell logos
CALGARY—Stock imagery company iStockphoto recently posted a notice on its blog announcing plans to add a new lineup of offerings — logos.

“We're excited to announce a whole new product coming to the iStock collection,” said the post by iStockphoto chief operating officer Kelly Thompson. “Clients will soon be able to download a unique logo to brand their business or organization right here at iStock. This is a huge opportunity not just for existing iStock contributors, but for our community of designers as well. If you’re a designer, you've probably created hundreds of different logos over the course of your career and we're offering you an outlet to start selling logos to the world’s largest community of creative buyers. Read all the details and join the discussion here.”

iStock asked for a discussion and that is exactly what it got. With comments ranging from elation to condemnation, there is no shortage of opinion on the announcement. Design Edge talked to iStock’s Kelly Thompson to get the scoop on selling logos.

Design Edge (DE): What is your plan for selling logos on iStock?

Kelly Thompson (KT): I’ll back up a bit…logos are one of the most requested things we get. If you back up even more and think about the market iStock has really managed to create — it’s people that never bought stock photography before but at our prices we’ve got lots of people buying.

You can imagine pretty quickly on the illustration side that people constantly ask us if we can use those images for logos. Of course they can’t. On most royalty free stock it is expressly forbidden and you couldn’t trademark it anyways. So for a long time this has been at the back of our minds. As things have progressed in the markets we thought we were in a place where we felt really comfortable getting the designers and illustrators in our community a lot of money with this initiative. And give something our customers are really looking for.

DE: How much does iStock plan to pay designers for these logos?

KT: There are obviously a lot of discussions around this, one of them being the insane idea that we are selling logos for $5. The idea is that we are giving a bounty to the first 5,000 logos that are uploaded of $5 or $10 if we hit 10,000 uploads. We’re not selling logos for $5. We are actually giving away $50,000 to $100,000 for the logos right off the bat.

The logos are going to be priced from about $100 to $1,000 and designers will be paid 50 per cent of that price. That’s where we think they should be priced; we are still looking into it. We were looking for feedback from the community on what they thought was reasonable. As much as we announced it, we also put out a lot of questions because we have a ways to go on it. We are developing it and we want to develop it with the community. Our first market research said that $100 to $1,000 was the right amount for our type of customer.

Obviously, people who would typically spend $2,000 to $20,000 for a logo aren’t looking for a ‘stock’ type logo. So we’re not going after that market, we don’t think that it’s well served by what we’re doing at all. There are people who are using clip art for logos though. Those are the people who we’re going after. They’re not going to pay $2,000. In the range that we’re looking at we think that there is a sweet spot there.

DE: Why would it be a good idea for a designer to sell their work to this kind of service?

KT: Designers told us right away that not only were they interested in creating logos but that they had logos that they could repurpose for this. Putting them on iStock and perhaps making some money from them is infinitely better than sitting on their hard drives and making no money. Our photographers make a lot of money from iStock but they also make money from people seeing the work that they do on iStock, liking it and asking them to go and do custom shoots. We think this is really going to help the design community that way as well.

DE: What are the legal issues around a program like this?

KT: What we’re saying is that these logos need to be able to be trademarked after their sold. It is up to the customer to take it through that process if they’re interested in getting it trademarked. There are visual searches and things that we are using behind the scenes to make sure that everything is on the up and up but it is the purchasers responsibility to make sure that they can go out and trademark it.

DE: When do you expect the program to be up and running?

KT: We haven’t really given an explicit date. We are looking at doing the ingestion of the logos more than a month from now and start selling them before Christmas.

A lot of the responses have been like the ones we got when we started iStock nine years ago and now you can’t imagine a world without these reasonably priced images. Designers aren’t going anywhere but definitely the marketplace is changing so designers have to get with the times. When you tell a designer that right now we pay out $1.3 million dollars a week to photographers, a light comes on. We are definitely looking at getting a good chunk of that money for designers.

Contact: www.istockphoto.com

— Val Maloney
1. Bubba
2 October 2009 at 10:05 AM
The real losers here are the designers who do all the work and only get 50% of the profit. Any designer worth their salt wouldn't be caught dead selling their work on the site. I know Design Edge is owned buy a paper company so I don't expect to see the designers point of view on this.
2. Editor
2 October 2009 at 10:30 AM
What? Design Edge isn't owned by a paper company! It's owned by a small, independent publishing house. And we always report on the designer's point of view. This website is full of them. In this case, we're bringing the news straight from the source's mouth. We know there are A LOT of opinions about this new program and we encourage everyone to share them here.
5. Justin
2 October 2009 at 4:55 PM
Crowdspring is a much more dangerous site for designers than Istock selling logos in my opinion...
6. Editor
2 October 2009 at 5:08 PM
For more information on Crowdspring and "crowd sourcing," see the latest issue of Design Edge Canada (Sept/Oct 2009)
7. CHRISTIAN MICHEL
4 October 2009 at 2:35 PM
I JUST THINK IT'S THE WORST IDEA EVER, FOR DESIGNERS TO GIVE ALMOST FOR FREE A WORK WHICH TAKE WEEKS TO DEVELOP FOR A FEW BUCKS, AND EVEN WORST FOR THE MARKET TO GO AND BUY CHEAP LOGOS!!!!
8. Erhan
5 October 2009 at 3:44 PM
Personally, businesses who use these cheap resources do not appreciate the value of a brand and would never be willing to pay for quality work in any case.

This does not help the fight against spec work and it is sad to see the market going this way.
9. Jeff
5 October 2009 at 5:41 PM
We should all be concerned about the direction the industry is going in. Regardless of who uses these boilerplate/spec services, it sends a corrosive message to the business world as a whole about the value of design.

It may be time I reconsider my career options.
10. Anonymous
7 October 2009 at 3:40 AM
The swoosh cost Nike $35.

There are too many 'professional' designers in a world in which every third kid with a PC is design savvy enough to turn pro.

These will be retail logos for retail businesses that previously got their kids' arty friend to do their logo. Not an issue.

And, hey, is Christian Michel a professional designer writing his whole post in all caps? Rude, and bad design.
11. Anonymous
13 October 2009 at 2:54 PM
Things like this are not going to change or go away no matter how precious we are about our work or how indignant about it being undervalued. The game is changing. Better innovate to stay ahead of it.
12. Gordo
13 October 2009 at 2:56 PM
Ha - this reminds me of all of the pizza parlors who use the same chef making the "OK" sign. ;-) There will be no real control over who uses these logos. It's a free for all.
13. Anonymous
13 October 2009 at 3:02 PM
I think we are entering a new era in design, thanks to the web, where almost everything is readily available for free. We have entered the "good enough" era. The era where shaky pixelated videos are "good enough" for newscast. Where noise-ladden radio spits out tunes at your dentist's waiting room (my biggest pet peeve). Where spec creative is "good enough". And where one-size-fits-all logos are also "good enough" for small businesses. It is the blunt reality of today's design world. Helvetica rules. Red 032 is the norm. Don't step out of the "I like what I know, and I know what I like" motto. Get used to it, 'cause it here to stay...
14. Melissa
13 October 2009 at 3:38 PM
I'm very disappointed in this article... It seems to only peddle one side of this very big topic?

Why weren't any other views seen here? It's pretty one sided.... and sorely disappointing!
15. Cameron Van Dusen
22 October 2009 at 11:53 AM
I am feeling some Deja Vu here. I remember reading and commenting on an article in July regarding how Walmart was making moves in on Designer's turf.

Article: http://www.designedgecanada.com/news/2009/20090724749.shtml

While iStock poses a greater risk than Walmart does doing the same thing, I think we are still dealing with the same issues, as was alluded to by other commenters on this article. Those who are going to get their logos from iStock, would always have gotten their logos from one of these "Fast Food" logo shops, and yes, pricing would be the main factor. But these smaller business who don't necessarily understand the importance of unique branding, would never approach a design firm anyway. While there are always exception, like the Nike logo mentioned above, I really don't think that the "good enough" logo providers are going to cut that deeply into the design firms business, simply because those who would approach a design firm aren't really looking for a logo, they are looking for a brand.
16. steve Zelle
24 November 2009 at 6:08 PM
There is clearly a market for stock identity solutions considering the recent news that iStockPhoto will begin selling pre-designed logos alongside other sites like Brandstack. I believe this has highlighted the need for designers to explore and promote the value of a client driven creative process. In January I will be launching Processed Identity, a site that will explore the creative processes designers use when defining and refining visual brand identities. I am currently looking for designers who would like to share their process and work. You can find out more at http://www.processedidentity.com

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